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This is excellent, Mark. It touches on a line of thought that was stimulated in me by reading Iain McGilchrist’s The Matter With Things. We use ideas like relationships, spirituality, realty, nature, consciousness, and human purpose. We treat them as discrete “things”, many times as something we possess. My thought is that all that exists is reality. Our perception of it doesn’t create reality, but establishes a relationship with it. In this experience, we are in communication with reality, yet in a non-verbal, more embodied way. There is a kind of language of consciousness that we can exchange with the world that reveals to us the spiritual character of all that is. A month ago I was in a bar watching a basketball game, talking with the fellow next to me. I shared with him about my podcast and offered to have him on. I then turned around on my stool and waved my arm across the restaurant and said, everyone of these people has something about them that is worth discovering. I think this how we can shift away from the kind individualistic, reductionist, hyper possessive approach to life you two touched on. I can tell you that the further I go down this path the more at peace and fulfilled I find myself. Thank you for sending these encounters of hope.

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